fake nos microsonic

[CompuChron]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-70s-LED-LCD-Digital-Watch-NOS-1-COURIER_W0QQitemZ250517365559QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL?hash=item3a53ffa337

I like the story of the "walking in London ..."
They are not new on the market but the story is rahter new.
These watches are made of NOS parts , with commodore modules but they aren"t original.
They are nice though , I have made a batch of them but I don't like the lies...

[retroleds]

CompuChron - I know which watches you are thinking of, Barbie9 and a few others sold off hundreds of those cases. I'm thinking that particular watch most definately has a Hughes module from the display pattern and character shape. Commadors have magnified displays, so you are never getting that kind of crispness to the segments.

[CompuChron]

So you think they are not fake?
The box is exactly the same as I use myself (cheapo found on ebay)
The band looks supicous too ,more from the lcd era than the led.

[CompuChron]

And he uses your site "ledchatwhes.net" to justify the realness
(see the link in the listing)
The watch shown on ledwatches has a different band.

[LEDluvr]

It's neat to see the old ads anyway...
Maybe we should have a section with title on this site just for scans of the original vintage ads for LED and LCD watches?

[retroleds]

Oh, the total assembly of the case/band may not be "original", but on a round-faced watch, what do you expect? Mainly I was commenting on your assumption that it is a Commador module - it is clearly a Hughes module inside, utilizing the classic 1/3/7 contact pattern. Not those butchered up Commadors someone was slipping into a plastic ring to bring up the diameter and then rewiring to put contacts at those spots. Mercifully it appears they have abandoned that flawed idea.

[retroleds]

It's neat to see the old ads anyway...
Maybe we should have a section with title on this site just for scans of the original vintage ads for LED and LCD watches?

There are 30 ads already up in the Photo Gallery under"VIntage LED Watches - ADS", which is where he lifted the picture from.

[CompuChron]

Not those butchered up Commadors someone was slipping into a plastic ring to bring up the diameter and then rewiring to put contacts at those spots. Mercifully it appears they have abandoned that flawed idea.

[LEDluvr]

Retroleds wrote:

There are 30 ads already up in the Photo Gallery under"VIntage LED Watches - ADS", which is where he lifted the picture from

[Led-Time]

As a seller of those

butchered up Commadors someone was slipping into a plastic ring to bring up the diameter and then rewiring to put contacts at those spots. Mercifully it appears they have abandoned that flawed idea.

we'll get back to that statement later...

Having a Hughes module fitted inside makes the watch case as genuine as any other 1970's led watch plus its in brand new condition unlike a vast majority of led's out there. I'll agree the bracelet is a let down if the seller had spent a few more pounds on a better one the watch would be much nicer quality, but he seems to be shifting them no problem so good luck to him...

As for fitting the Commodore modules to these cases I can't speak for anyone else who has been doing the same but I can assure everyone my watches are top notch quality, each module assembly has over one hours worth of turning and milling time for the interface parts to make sure they fit correctly and most important do not move when installed in the watch case. Before being sold each watch is bench tested for a week to make sure everything is working just as it should. I use a Commodore converted watch for work it gets bashed about something rotten and has never missed a beat if it can stand up to that level of use there is no problem with the module assemblies I fit to the cases.

Of the forty odd watches I've sold one only one has been returned and that had a battery problem, I think that speaks for itself.

So lads...I would be grateful if I don't get tarred with the same brush as others who offer lesser quality M.S./Commodore hybrid led watches for sale...

[CompuChron]

Having a Hughes module fitted inside makes the watch case as genuine as any other 1970's led watch

Almost true , but if you make up a story of an old london watch shop stock , then that's not so true...
I

[retroleds]

Seems a waste of time and effort to fit Commador modules into a Hughes 1/3/7 format for a few reasons.
a.No date only function at the 7 oclock position.
b.slightly inferior display(o.k., IMO, but a magnified Commador vs. a Hughes display?)
c.All that work for something that looks a little odd when opened, at a time when Hughes modules are generally available for about $40-50 each. I'm always slightly stunned when I buy a working, round faced watch with an obviously Hughes button pattern, delivered to my door for $25-40. I know those Commdor modules were sold off recently for about $11 each if you bought a quantity, but a lot of work to get the finished product. You can retrofit the Commador to a N.S. chassis with very little work. But even then, it just doesn't seem like we are to that part of the parts cycle.

A few thousand super plan, round faced, LED watches turn up every year, providing modules for the more eclectic, glass screened watches most collectors seem drawn to. Only the really rare pieces(GP, Uranus, Calcs., drivers) and the Pulsar/Omega/Hamilton pieces are at a loss for good movements. And there are even a few decent "hybrids" to be made for those. NS or Sanyo movements both look pretty decent behind Pulsar glass.

[Led-Time]

Almost true , but if you make up a story of an old london watch shop stock , then that's not so true...

How do you know its not true, if what the seller says is correct then he probably bought the stock at a rock bottom price and is happy with what he’s getting, say you were sitting on a stash of brand new old stock fully working Hughes modules would you fit them in plain round faced cases and sell them of cheaply or start buying up mint high end collectable cases and make bigger profit.


Ed,

Hughes modules are not with out their problems as I'am sure you know I don't like them for that reason plus replacement quartz crystals are not available which is a major negative point, yes you can buy a cheap watch fitted with one but if its not running properly that’s money wasted isn't it then you have to buy another and another and so on where does it end.

As for the Commodore modules I must admit the display is the only let down the bubble lenses are not the best looking digits poor viewing angles etc but if no replacement module is available using a Commodore conversion versus a dead useless watch I'll go for the conversion any day.

The M.S./Commodore watches I sold were cheap enough plenty people bought them perhaps to use as their everyday watch who knows but all my buyers were happy and its not like I was pretending they were some sort of collectors item just a plain unmarked fully working genuine LED watch nothing more nothing less.