Clasp problem/help wanted/calling all band clasp experts.

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Howard, you have no more proof that these bands didn't come on these watches, as I have that they did. It's funny but sad how many of them have peoples' names engraved on the clasps....I doubt that was done to the second or third band the watch ever sported. No, more likely some poor s.ob. didn't get his prized watch, band or anything else back from the "factory." And now you want me to dig out 20mmbands just to prove the point? Fat chance - I anticipate you would claim some Pulsar fan doctored my calipers, just to prove my point.

Howard, you sound like you have a bit of jealousy that I am able to keep busy. You tell me that you are "pissed" at me because I have taken up the managment of these sites - not like you were going to do it! Like I told you before, IMO you are nothing but a one-trick pony: Synchronars are your only game, and it doesn't appear you are anywhere near as good as the guy who invented "the game". Don't be hating on me just because I try to broaden my horizens periodically and do a little "community outreach".

I and others would leave you alone to the Synchronar history and technical details, but it seems that as soon as we give you an inch, you turn around and try to cram loads of unprovable nonsense down our collective throats.

Since only 1 out of every 7-10 Synchronars will ever live again, I think my efforts working, learning and sharing about other brands is much more likely to be of use to the collecting community than your 5-ish pieces "re-assembled" per year ever will.

I'm not seeing your "obvious knowledge advantage" - creating history doesn't count in reality.

All in fun Howard - we have to love you as you are.

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Forgot about "Doc Holiday" - Since Ed fixes watches my vote is that he is the "Doc"!!!!!

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There you go again miss quoting me and trying to put words in my mouth that I never said.You emailed me and wondered why I was not upset about your battery theory. That's when I read your corny self centered band show article and realized you had done it intentionally.That is when I had to inform you how wrong you were about the battery theory for which you admit was pure non expert guess work.If you want to live in a fantasy world and make yourself feel like a hero by saying there is a we?? opinion that you represent and that I am against, you are wrong again. This forum was founded on seeking Synchronar info and I am like snake with information that Ed refuses to even respect or notice,contact etc.As if I need to explain that I grew up around this watch with years of hands on behind the scenes experiences and Maybe??? that is why I have the advantage that Ed is apparently jeaolous about? Whatever you say captain. Always good to finally see your true feelings Ed.

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Oh I almost forgot that some people did pass away,become un reachable,moved, and or decided not to repair the watch by replacing the module at $69.95.So guess what??? they bought other watches instead and were never heard from again.This would explain why some of Ed,s has the clasp signed.Not an option after 1982.Also some folks didn't want the original clasp because it involved a previous relative or X wife/husbands name.I proudly made approx 100 wnty repair modules and 150 RTC obligation watches as part of my 500 made for CCC in the mid 80,s. to 1991.

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You emailed me and wondered why I was not upset about your battery theory. That's when I read your corny self centered band show article and realized you had done it intentionally.That is when I had to inform you how wrong you were about the battery theory for which you admit was pure non expert guess work..

Howard, I am admittedly a largely self-taught experimenter(although having over 100 college credits in a mixed bag of disciplines), much like your late father and mine - why should I feel bad about having a theory that might differ from your father's and your's? I have the benefits of: time passed, youth, and knowledge gleaned from others who have done testing and experimentation, all unhampered by your resentful pride which demands that other people don't look at or work on your father's creations. My impression has been that you do little experimenting of your own, nor have you devoted much of your life to acquiring knowledge. I have children of my own that don't seem to have picked up the family "gentleman scientist" pattern/lifestyle - it is always puzzling to parents when our children don't become what we expected.

"Self-centered band show" - I suppose you feel this way about everyone who has the time, energy and personality to write a book, blog, story or song? Your writings are generally twisted, unflowing and unbalanced as to any differing viewpoints - essentially they are like self-centered commercials that give no credit to the competition.

Finally, how can you now say that many people must have replaced their bands and or clasps, but earlier you claimed that these bands and clasps to fit them, and the Synchronar, would be hard to find?

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Sure people bought a replacement band from a department store and installed it.It just was not the Duchess/Hadley classic Synchronar type that they could find.Why is this fact so difficult to understand?

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Sure people bought a replacement band from a department store and installed it.It just was not the Duchess/Hadley classic Synchronar type that they could find.Why is this fact so difficult to understand?

Howard, I have no problem with understanding it, I suggested the same thing in a way - that bands like that were available. And much like the copying of Jeff's(Majesyk) watch, I believe that Duchess/Hadley(or foriegn knock-off artists) would have distributed those bands without a second thought. Imagine how easy it would have been to run off several thousand extra bands with an unmarked clasp.

I think we are winding down on this thread(which has gotten a bit off track)- why don't we back away from it and let any other interested members comment. :wink:

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Sure people bought a replacement band from a department store and installed it.It just was not the Duchess/Hadley classic Synchronar type that they could find.Why is this fact so difficult to understand?

Howard, I have no problem with understanding it, I suggested the same thing in a way - that bands like that were available. And much like the copying of Jeff's(Majesyk) watch, I believe that Duchess/Hadley(or foriegn knock-off artists) would have distributed those bands without a second thought. Imagine how easy it would have been to run off several thousand extra bands with an unmarked clasp.

I think we are winding down on this thread(which has gotten a bit off track)- why don't we back away from it and let any other interested members comment. :wink:

Sounds like a great idea.

By now I could have changed 20 clasps with a pair of needle nose pliers but that would look like a caveman did it.In my previous experience I never tinkered with clasps.There probably is a special tool(pliers) to reclose the clasp pin shoulder ends if I only new what it looked like and exactly how to use it this thread would be getting somewhere.Look I admit my lack of experience here and do not want the pin connecting the clasp to EVER! fall out thats all.

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[By now I could have changed 20 clasps with a pair of needle nose pliers but that would look like a caveman did it.In my previous experience I never tinkered with clasps.There probably is a special tool(pliers) to reclose the clasp pin shoulder ends if I only new what it looked like and exactly how to use it this thread would be getting somewhere.Look I admit my lack of experience here and do not want the pin connecting the clasp to EVER! fall out thats all.

How: the pins push out with the straight end of a standard link pin tool or a pin vise. The"shoulders" should never need to be bent at all, unless they don't hold the pin securely and need to be squeezed a little before putting the pin in...this sometimes is an issue if switching clasps between bands, as differnt manufacturers used slightly different pin diameters. If the pin pushes in snugly, it won't fall out, as there is little force that would move it that way. Squeezing the shoulders while the pin is in is fairly useless, as they need to be squeezed a little smaller than the pin. The part of the band that the pin goes thru never gets "tightened" unless it was ripped off someone's arm....which means it will always look like a caveman got a hold of it.