Incomming, Heuer! Get down! (UPDATE: arrived,pictures added)

[elceedee]

I might have been lucky today... analog part is running, digital part not (i hope for a near empty battery). Dial is not centered right, well see what that means (hope no parts are missing). From the pictures, looking at the details id say its the real deal. Original bracelet.
Ill keep you updated, will arrive probably next week.





Edit: I noticed the pretty dark LCD display, and after reading a few of Diginut's techreviews on these Heuers (especially their poor consturction) i keep my fingers crossed.. We'll see

Edit 2: Browsing the internet for information i stumbled across a picture of (what i think is) a similar movement (only different crown position) where i learned that both the lcd and analog movement are seperate movements with their own battery. As the analog part is still running im assuming both batteries were changed same time, which makes me hope the LCD battery hasnt started leaking yet (as its not that old..)
Cant wait for the watch to arrive.




Here's an update.
Today the Heuer arrived in good order. The LCD display is looking fine (you were right, Geoff), and there was no battery leakage. The watch is complete with all original parts, so it looks at first glance. I still have to replace the LCD battery, so if it will work ill find out later.
There is one strange thing however; the analog movement is a Citizen Mitoya 8520A. You would say its not original, but its fitting perfectly in its plastic casing which was obviously made for this watch. The plastic casing has the right openings at the right spots for this movement (for excample the push-plate for stem removal). On the other hand, the (copper) dial is loose, it was glued on the movement with makes me doubt it again. An idea that came to my mind is that this is an official Heuer replacement for the original movement. If there's anyone here with knowledge of this watch, id like to hear. Its hard to find tech info on this model.
Here a few pictures of work in progress:

[vpn]

Fantastic catch! Can't wait to see more pics of the watch, to find out if it's alive!

[dutchsiberia]

Wow! Awesome watch! And I look at that site all the time... About the display, I've got a microma which had a similar dark display on the Ebay pics, but works fine

[767Geoff]

Fingers crossed!

What an icon!

Lots,of pictures please...

Looks like the camera used had a polarizer filter because one shot has a dark LCD and the other does not. I use a polarizer to remove reflections but have to careful about darkening the display on the LCD.

Geoff

[elceedee]

Yesterday i updated this thread with some aditional pictures i took after arrival.

Today i tested the LCD movement with a new battery, unfortunately it doesnt work. Altough it looks clean, i will need to do some testing on it. Maybe the xtal is broken.
I found some pictures of the original movement(s) of a similar manhattan and found out it was also suited with an analog Citizen movement, which is very positive, it means my heuer has 100% original parts :)

I will take my time completing this watch, testing the digital part. But will post the 'after' pictures as soon as the watch is finished.

And, diginut; Thanks!

[767Geoff]

First thing is to disassemble as much as possible, all the electronics and clean. Then reassemble and test from there.

The Miyota movement is good news, heck, there may even be NOS movements at Jules Borel! Or find a working citizen with the same movement.

With the dial removed, were there dial feet that have been snapped off, otherwise glueing the dial to the movement has been standard on some quartz watches. There is a product called dial pads, sticky two sided blobs that can hold. Ails in place with broken feet.

Have some one at work with that watch and it always catches my eye.

Cheers, Geoff


Just checked borel under Miyota and Citizen and no luck. Perhaps a direct email to Miyota may bear fruit. Also a good cleaning of the mech parts of the analog Long with the switch and contacts. Did that to a seiko anadigi and got the non working analog going.

Good Luck


Even more research:

The original movement is a Japanese Miyota movement marked HEUER 8515. This can be substituted for a Miyota movement b520a. But the dial feet may not match. See from your post below that it is moot any way! As for the LCD, in this case you are probably correct and disassembly is last option. All the PCA chips are exposed wire bonds and subject to corrosion by out gassing. Not the standard of the day.

[elceedee]

Geoff,
You might have missread, but the Citizen Mitota movement is running. The pads you talk about, i ordered 400 pieces of those two years ago, enough for a lifetime ;) So that part will work out fine!

From my personal expirience i learned that 'if its not broken, keep it together'. The quality of this LCD movement is so poor (hard to believe with Heuer, but its what i notice) that i think i will do more harm then good disassembling the LCD movement.
I did however excamine the movement under a stereo microscope to check the contact pad between the PCB and the LCD panel (it has transparant plastic). This looks 'good enough', thus working.

But... if the xtal appears to be working fine i might have to disassemble the movement after all to check the chip hidden between PCB and LCD.

Ill keep you all informed, thanks for your reaction.

[767Geoff]

See added research, yes, unbelievable using exposed chips and wire bonds for that era. So many good LCD eta movements and better quality seiko/citizen... Why cheap out like that other then to reduce maintenance with cheap swappable units.

A shame as the watch looks so neat!

Here is another:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HEUER-Manhattan-CHRONOSPLIT-GMT-104-403-LCD-Analog-Chronograph-Faulty-display-/180997374748?pt=UK_Jewelery_Watches_Watches_MensWatches_GL&hash=item2a2448c31c

Maybe it the LCD ISN't working because there is no battery installed

Geoff

[elceedee]

I know this one. And if you look closely; the Xtal is missing, so has been tempered on. Unfortunately no use

Nevertheless, i asked this seller for aditional pictures (on another site) and i see he used them for this listing. Its a great testcase on finding out what my Manhattan is worth in the market.

Thanks for the link.

[gjlelec]

Nice watch. Be careful with battery replacement on the analogue section. The connector has a tiny 90% tit that fits in the hole i've highlighted. If you slacken the screw and attempt to slide the connector sideways the tit snaps off. Its not just a locator ,it actually connects to part of the circuit. If all else fails (i'm guessing Diginut would have pointed you here anyway) try contacting Peter Wenzig. He has spares for the Manhattan. He recently repaired a Chronosplit and a Manhattan with non working LCD for me.

[elceedee]

Thanks for your advise!
The analog part is running okay. The dial, however was glued to the movement and came loose (do you know if the glueing part is original?)
I plan to remove the hands and re-attach the dial with double-sided sticking pads (theyre app. 1mm thick but they sponge, i have to give it a try as i prefer it over glueing)

As far as the LCD movement, it looks clean but a batery replacement didnt work. Havent tested the xtal/quartzmodule yet. Diginut has been of help, also pointing me to Peter Wenzig.

May i ask what Peter did to repair your LCD movement and what the costs were?

Thanks!

[richard_uk]

You probably already know this but just incase.. you can get double sided selotape, if the pads you have are too thick to use on the dial double sided selotape would do the job, it's very sticky and the consistency is exactly the same as the stuff they use on oem stuff, I've had a roll for years and have used it on all kinds of things.

[gjlelec]

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[azimuth_pl]

Just found this old thread.
The analog movement is a mid-1970's Citizen so it is surprising to see it in a top-shelf Heuer.
There are some posts on the web with the inside being visible.
The only difference is that the movement plate should state "Heuer Japan" so the movement in this thread might have been robbed from a Citizen.
http://chronoaddict.blogspot.com.au/201 ... attan.html
http://uhrforum.de/heuer-manhattan-chro ... mt-t146625

the same movement but modified was used in the Bulova Thermatron:
http://www.crazywatches.pl/citizen-crys ... uartz-1978

[elceedee]

Hi,
I noticed you replied on a few Heuer Manhattan posts, including this one I started (a few years ago)
Since then I owned and sold 3 Manhattans, two of them with Citizen signed quartz movements. As the Citizen analog quartz movements are usually error free when battery leakage hasn't been the case (I assume the two of those with citizen movements were not replaced through the years. One had a defective LCD movement, the other was 100%) im under the assumption that Heuer also fitted the watches with Citizen signed movements. But that's an assumption.
I also read your other reply concerning a strap and I agree with you on that. Keep up the good work with your website, I often used the pictures of the movements as a reference. Thanks

[azimuth_pl]

Many thanks seicitizitch!
I was never tempted with this design but I'm about to get a Manhattan for repairs from a friend.
Thus I browsed the web for some ideas and it appears that Rawsar has not yet developed LCD replacements.
In reference to the analog movement anything is possible.
99% of customers never bother to open a watch so honestly Heuer would save a few cents per piece by not having their logo engraved on a Citizen movement.