Hi Stephen
Afraid I'm a lapsed member but calling in again for old times sake (ouch poor pun)..
Links work fine. The second is a facsimile of the famous Seiko 'Pan-Am' world time watch of course, The first looks like a fairly generic Hong Kong watch of the early 80s. My personal 'acid test' is if the case is 'All stainless' not just the case back. If yes then it's a keeper..
BR
James